Dating can be tricky. When do you kiss? Hold hands? Have sex? Some people want to rush, and others want to take it slow. This week, Erika and Chris (and a fun guest) discuss what it shows, if anything, when someone doesn’t make a move on the first few dates… and what it can mean for the future.

Hand-holding, kissing, other forms of intimacy… there’s a time and a place for all of them. But, when is that time and place? The first date? The third? And which would you prefer to do first — hold hands or smooch? In today’s episode, Erika shares a story about a first date of her own and then introduces a surprise guest. Then, she and Chris discuss how one person’s hierarchy of intimacy may differ from another person’s.